Sunday, July 27, 2008

More Pearls of Wisdom

Sunday, 27th July 2008

Here are more pearls of wisdom from Bathsarah. Here was what she wrote in relation to my response to Dr Gordon Wong...

From: Bathsarah
Sent: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008 11:03 PM
To: mloh77@starhub.net.sg
Subject: On Healing

Dear Bro Malcolm,

First of all, way to go, bro! (regarding the issue of forgiving the person who maligned you.)

I am compelled by your posts on the Methodist Pastor's review of D2R to share with you my 2cents regarding the issue of Healing and Health. I have had 'heated discussion' with a close friend (who had gone for several courses in Bible Colleges) over this issue. Same-o, same-o. She insisted that God does not heal everyone and implied that she knew the Bible better than I did.

I feel very strongly against such teachings (not just in the area of healing) because there was a period of time when I turned my back against God because I was so angry with Him. I felt that He was a very unfair, supreme being. Yes, I knew He existed, I knew that turning my back means ending in eternal damnation, but I felt that I would rather die than to live under the tyranny of an unjust God. Why unjust? Cos I felt that He kept changing the 'rules of the game' (so to speak).


I was very frustrated because at that point in time, I was going through a lot of trials and when seeking for answers, I got loads of answers that were no real help because they were so out of the can. I was frustrated because there is no way to 'win'.

Let me explain. I actually told God : "if things turn out well, You get the credit; if things turn out bad, 'You work in mysterious ways' and have a purpose for it. You win loh (the hokkien way of saying it.)". Frankly, even when it comes to friendship with another human being, I cannot stand a person who is two-faced like that. Who can? Everyone wants a friend who has integrity, you know his character and you know his words mean something and not change with the direction of the wind.

I feel that people who give two-faced arguments like that are usually doing out of defence for God because there are things happening around them that they cannot explain. That's why they try to justify God by coming up with their own explanation. They find a few obscure Scriptures to support their arguments, ignoring the greater majority that speak otherwise.


In the end, they are all men's arguments. It is laughable that God needs our defence, as if He screwed up somewhere and we have to try to cover up for him. But most people, preachers included, don't have the guts to say 'I don't know why it didn't happen for so-and-so but I still believe the Bible is true'.

It was only when I attended NCC that I began to learn about God's unchanging nature, who He is, what is His love. It brought so much stability into my life because I now know the 'rules of the game' and the game won't change from one moment basket ball to another moment netball (depending on which is more favourable to God). So to me, even if I have a disease (God forbid!), and I end up in the grave because of it, I will believe God for healing and pray for healing until the very end.


If I die from it, it is not loss for death has no more sting for believers. I get to see God face-to-face to find out why. I won't, for a moment, decide that maybe God does not heal everyone after all. I guess you can say that what is more important to me is to know that God is the same, yesterday, today and forever, than to find an explanation for situations I don't understand. Let God be true and every man a liar.

Oh, before I forget, Pastor Prince did explain about the thorn in the flesh thingy, using Bible interpret Bible principle. There was something in the Old Testament. Sorry, I cannot remember now because it was very, very long time ago. Maybe you can go and search it out yourself. Or ask some old time NCC people who may remember.

Lastly, just to share with you something I said to a sister from another church who asked me about law and grace, the usual stuff. I told her something to the effect of : I cannot argue theology because I don't go to seminary and bible schools. But one thing I know : ever since I attended NCC (ie ever since I learned about Grace), my spiritual life has been more stable (vs the perpetual backsliding and repenting), my life is more stable, I know God better, I love Him more, I have a closer relationship with Him, I am a better person.

Res ipsa loquitur.

Bathsarah



From: Malcolm Loh
To: Bathsarah
Sent: Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 4:50 AM
Subject: On Healing

Hi Bathsarah

Thanks sis. What you wrote to me the last time helped me to see beyond my flesh and from God's perspective. As you can see, even after listening to the grace gospel for 3 years, I am still very much a work-in-progress.


It is uncanny to read what you have written about healing; it was as if I wrote those things myself :-)

Say, I really feel that you should share your thoughts on my blog, because it is going to edify a lot of readers. I will leave out your surname so that you can still retain some privacy. Please reconsider. Who knows, taking this small step may be the first on the road to you becoming a teacher or exhorter standing up in front of hundreds to share His Word...

To be fair to Rev Dr Wong, he was sincere enough to reply to me, and we have arranged to meet up for lunch. After all, the gospel of grace should not be an intellectual argument where one wins and the other loses, but a heartfelt experience that results in life transformation.

Shalom

Malcolm


From: Bathsarah
Sent: Thursday, 17 July, 2008 11:21 PM
To: mloh77@starhub.net.sg Subject: On Healing

Hi Malcolm,

Since Pastor Prince mentioned a few weeks back that shy-ness is still consciousness of self, I will take a step of faith and agree to let you quote me on your blog, on the condition of not mentioning name. Give me grace lah. I am taking one baby step at a time. : P *heart palpitation* I have been thinking of this shy-ness issue because it seems contradictory cos i am not totally, completely a recluse and have my little bit of limelight some times. Still trying to analyze what kind of situation gives me problem. I guess it is confrontation that I am most afraid of. But then, this is plain rabbit trail.......sorry...

Anyway, regarding Rev Wong, I am completely ok with what he wrote. In fact, pleasantly surprised that it wasn't one of those flaming thing that seeks to tear down. I can also understand his areas of concern and understand where he comes from. So it is ok actually.

It is interesting to note how a Methodist brain is wired differently from a Charismatic one. : ) It seems to me that Methodists use a lot of 'brain power' and analyze things quite a lot, but seem to have a bit more difficulty accepting things at the spiritual level (i am using the terms loosely, so please don't get me wrong). Since I am at it, let me share this little incident as an illustration :

A few weeks back, when Pastor Prince was away for 2 weeks, during that period, I was absent from church cos kids were sick, etc. During one of those time I was seeking the Lord , I came across the anointing oil in the Bible and remembered Pastor mentioned before about the Indonesian church and their practice of using the oil. I was wondering how come he has never preached anything about it at all. I wanted so much to learn more about it. So I prayed and ask God to get Pastor Prince to teach on the anointing oil. Lo and behold, the first week he was back in church (as was I), he preached on the anointing oil! However, I can't say I completely understood the sermon even now.


I still feel I need more from the Bible or better clarity, so I am listening to the sermons again and again. In the mean time, I am able to accept it at faith level and practise the use of it even without a complete understanding of it. I guess a Methodist mind would want to understand everything first before putting into action?

Please do not misunderstand me. I am not saying which is better. It is just an observation. Maybe that's why we need all kinds of churches around, to meet the needs of all kinds of people. It would be great if our individual strengths would rub off on each other. Then we will all be nicely balanced. : )

Bathsarah



From: Malcolm Loh
To: Bathsarah
Sent: Friday, 18 July, 2008 6:50 AM
Subject: On Healing


Hi Bathsarah

Attagirl, that's the spirit! Guess what my latest blog entries are?

Who knows, maybe people will be reading ROOTSS more so that they can get pearls of wisdom from you...


By the way, followers of Wesley were called Methodists because we are very systematic and methodical. While this is good to maintain some degree of law and order, the downside is that we tend to engage our mind first before we engage our heart. I remember being invited by a college classmate to an AG church as a youth, and felt extremely uncomfortable when people started speaking and praying in tongues. I told myself I would never step into another charismatic church. But hey, God knows better....

11 comments:

Stanley Wong said...

Pastor Prince preached before that "thorn in the flesh" does not refer to a sickness or disease.

It actually refers to people who are obstacles to your spiritual walk or in Paul's case, his mission work.
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2 Corinthians 12:6-7 (NLT)

6 If I wanted to boast, I would be no fool in doing so, because I would be telling the truth. But I won’t do it, because I don’t want anyone to give me credit beyond what they can see in my life or hear in my message, 7 even though I have received such wonderful revelations from God. So to keep me from becoming proud, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger from Satan to torment me and keep me from becoming proud.
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In 2 Cor 12:7, the thorn is described as a messenger from Satan, implying a person.

Two passages in the OT (Num33:54-56 and Judges 2:1-3) also refer to people as thorns, specifically the inhabitants of the Promised Land whom Israel has to drive out, otherwise those inhabitants will become thorns in Israel's side, causing the Israelites trouble and tempting them to stray from God.

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Numbers 33:54-56 (NLT)

54 You must distribute the land among the clans by sacred lot and in proportion to their size. A larger portion of land will be allotted to each of the larger clans, and a smaller portion will be allotted to each of the smaller clans. The decision of the sacred lot is final. In this way, the portions of land will be divided among your ancestral tribes. 55 But if you fail to drive out the people who live in the land, those who remain will be like splinters in your eyes and thorns in your sides. They will harass you in the land where you live. 56 And I will do to you what I had planned to do to them.”
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Judges 2:1-3 (New Living Translation)

1 The angel of the Lord went up from Gilgal to Bokim and said to the Israelites, “I brought you out of Egypt into this land that I swore to give your ancestors, and I said I would never break my covenant with you. 2 For your part, you were not to make any covenants with the people living in this land; instead, you were to destroy their altars. But you disobeyed my command. Why did you do this? 3 So now I declare that I will no longer drive out the people living in your land. They will be thorns in your sides,[a] and their gods will be a constant temptation to you.”

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Unknown said...

How very true ... God is not a schizo, but many men are and portrait God like that! Our Father is not abusive, nor temperamental, nor hypocritical, but many earthly fathers are...

Read about what Pastor Prince wrote in Chapter 4 of Destined to Reign on schizo Christianity!

I am going through financial trials of my own, into its 11th years 8-) ... I have yet to receive the miracle breakthrough but neither am I suffering lack, in terms of provisions when it's needed ... honestly, without Christ, the hope of glory in me, most people in my situation could possibly go mad!

A fellow brother of mine who also attends NCC had his finance attacked recently (about 2 year ago). The amount was quite huge. He told me he could not sleep well, he would not eat well, he was sacked, he was in bad shape & almost end up in divorce! He listens to PP's sermons even in his sleep, and prays in tongue whenever he can, and he sought the Lord on what to do. The Lord guided him, and in less than 6 months God helped him overturn the whole situation and he is a millionaire now! Phew! That is our God! A God of miracles!

I am glad for him, and his family. I know him & his wife for more than a decade, so it would be terrible should they have surrendered to the devil's vicious attack to breakup his family and him.

I thank God for PP such that my brother kept hearing the good news that our God is a good God, and He will see him through such that his faith was built up and not put down ... try imagine what would had happened to him if what he heard was, "there is sin in your life ..... God is punishing you!" ... which "good" news would have brought him closer to God, which would have saved him & his marriage?

I am sharing this cos I am going through a situation where I could be angry with God on why I am still waiting for my breakthrough when my fellow brother had his BIG breakthrough in just 6 months! It's similar to what sis Bathsarah had experienced, that God is "unfair"! I could either go mad searching on what sins I have yet to confess, what I have failed to do etc or I could have left the body of Christ if I have been feeding on teachings similar to schizo Christianity!

However I have chosen to trust God, to rejoice for my brother who overcame a tough trial, to trust that He is good, that He is the same yesterday, today and forever.

Pastor Prince mentioned before that all things, good things, bad things, all works for the good to those who love Him.

My trial did not come from God, but from the devil. However God will make something beautiful out of this trial, and while I wait for my breakthtough, I cannot deny that I have learnt tremendously over the years and will continue to learn ... the best person to testify to that is my wife, who agrees that I have changed so much for the better, over the years.

Sorry for the messy disorganised comments, hope I have gotten the correct message across ... it's 225AM, and I need my supper 8-P ... and also spend some time with my woman ...

Shalom Shalom
William

Stanley Wong said...

Hi William,

I am in the exact same situation as you :( :)

Without the grace gospel, I would have given up on Chrisianity and even my own life long ago. But Pastor Prince has shown me that God is a good God, not based on my circumstances but based on He sending Jesus to die for me.

PP prophecied that this year is the year of manifestation - so bro William, let's believe together that THIS year our breakthrough is manifesting! Amen?

Shalom Shalom

Unknown said...

Bro Stanley

Amen! I agree with you, that both of us hereby agree on earth concerning the manifestation of our financial breakthroughs, and it shall be done for us by our Father in heaven, Amen!

The one to receive it first shall give a treat, including Bro Mal & all his regular blog followers 8-)

Shalom Shalom

Malcolm Loh said...

Hi Stan

Thanks for expounding on the "thorn in the flesh".

William, I'm not sure if I've met you before. How about the handful of us (Joo, Jeff, Kevin, yourself and myself) gathering at Stan's stall for some dessert one of these evenings?

Unknown said...

Hi Mal

It's strange, given my profession, I should not shy from meeting new friends ... perhaps I have been hurt by so called "good" old friends before ... so kinda sceptical of "good" friends ... sometimes it's strange also that mere acquaintance turns out to be best of friends instead ...

THEREFORE .... I have decided to give my brothers in-Christ a try ...

Especially when there's ... yummy desserts 8-P ... advance treat from Stan (joke) ...

Hahaha ... OK, you have got my email, let's meet up ...

Ciao, rushing for 2nd service at gallery west now ...

Shalom Shalom
William

Stanley Wong said...

welcome welcome :-)

Anonymous said...

Hi Malcolm,

In fact, I wanted to suggest this idea (of getting together) to you after reading your blog dated 26 July when you mentioned: "These people would include CybeRanger, Angie, Stanley, Geri, Jeffrey, Dragon, Joo and Mango Chin."

It is like we already belonged to a care group which exist in "cyber space". In here, we can be transparent with one another without having to feel vulnerable in what we share. We are here to help and encourage one another as the Holy Spirit directs.

I am thankful to you for accepting me so quickly even though I only discovered your blog only about 7 weeks ago.

I am also thankful to God for all the encouragement you people out there have been giving to Malcolm. Your love and kindness have warmed my heart.

So I am also going to meet you all the wonderful people out there!

See you all !!!

As The Deer said...

Joo, I agree with you. It does feel like a cyber care group!

It will be nice to meet up in person for fellowship someday instead of merely on cyberspace. =)

Stanley Wong said...

Hi joo,

Thanks for visiting me at my stall yesterday. I had an enjoyable time of sharing with you, although at first i was a bit stressed lah, like kena spot checked haha ;-)

Hope to see you again soon

Shalom

Anonymous said...

Hi Stanley,

I was pleasantly surprised when I saw you ministering to that ex member of my church.

Thank you also for all that you shared and for sacrificing an hour of your precious business time with me.

You are such a cool guy! Probably working with ICE has helped you to be so cool !! (teasing you,lah! :-)

Will visit you when I go to that area again.